509 | Tales from the Life Side

Chris LoCurto 0:00
Today we're gonna look at the interesting and sometimes surprising takeaways of those who've gone through our next event that is coming up next.

Welcome to the Chris LoCurto show where we discuss leadership and life and discover that business is what you do, not who you are. Welcome to the show, folks. I hope you're having a fabulous day wherever you are. I can tell you we are having a fabulous day where we are the sun is shining and I am joined in studio by the handsome and debonair Joel Fortner. Welcome. Welcome, Joel. So good to be back and joined by the interwebs. The musical studio, the musically talented and well-calculated only Aaron gets that one right there. That was good. That's right, last. Music baby Athan music, math, and music. Welcome, Erin West.

Unknown Speaker 1:08
Thanks, Chris.

Chris LoCurto 1:09
So today we are talking about it's been 10 years. And it's been fun now it's been 10 years. So I'm just gonna leave it at that. It's been a phenomenal 10 years of deployment group and the things that we've been doing here with our business and just it's interesting, how fun, exciting, and sentimental that this, this timeframe is, like 10 years of just this. I mean, this is not stuff that we've been doing for only 10 years and stuff we've been doing for decades. But it's just so fantastic that at this business, we've been doing this for 10 years. And what we've been doing in making a difference in people's lives, in our own lives, our family's lives, people's families, all that kind of fun stuff. So it's exciting. And we're going to talk about that today about people that have taken we've talked about the business side. Now we're talking about the life side, the personal life side, and marriage side, family dynamics, and all the things that people have done to take those to the next level. And we've now officially taken people through over 500 NEXT-LEVEL life events. Amazing Joel, you had the pleasure of doing the 500 of it. And without going into details about the person's event. How was it?

Joel Fortner 2:27
Well, it's actually really funny, because, in the event, it was like, Oh, I'm leading someone to another Next-Level Life of it, right? Because it's just one on one. It's just me and Brian, you know, in the room. So it's like outside of it in the lead-up to it and the discussions outside the room. We're all celebratory and cool. But when not when you're doing it, it's just like, oh, it's I'm leading somebody to another event. So it was a fabulous event.

Chris LoCurto 2:53
Yeah, we didn't bring him in any balloons or now, you know, there was so but it was, it's just amazing to think about when we came up on this 500 event that we've been doing this a long time. Yeah, that's a lot of life change. That's a lot of families change. That's a lot of marriages that have been affected. And so just super excited, I go back and forth between excitement and then just being sentimental. So in this episode, we're going to pull back the curtain a bit and walk you through the basic setup of a life event as well as share some testimonies and transformations that we've heard both during and after the event. But before we get there, I'd love to take a brief look at the history of this life-side event and how each of you guys was impacted by going through your own Next-Level Life. So Aaron, how about we start with you? When did you go through it? And what was it like for you?

Unknown Speaker 3:49
Gosh, so I had heard about Next-Level Life for a long time, being involved in the events and being a part of all that was going on with the leadership events. And I remember asking you, Chris, Hey, how can I get into my own Next-Level Life event? And you're like, well, here's how we do that. And so we had a conversation and then, and I believe it was the summer of 2019. We had my next level life event and about 30 minutes into the event it life change began happening right there for me. We identified some stuff right off the very beginning that just opened my eyes to how I had looked at things for almost 40 years of my life at that point and realized that there was so much I was missing. There was so much I wasn't even aware of in my own self, in conversations with my own family, and just recognizing all of those things that helped me be a better individual that was holding me back before and it was a great experience. And my wife has now been through her own next event as well, which has allowed us to have some fantastic conversations as well. And so yeah, it's been fantastic. seeing a different side of myself and looking at my life in a different way than I did you know, even five years ago.

Chris LoCurto 5:14
Yeah. It's, it's so amazing. First off, it's the best one both spouses are able to go through because you have that common vocabulary, right? But having known you guys for what she's How old is Ariana Ariana, now?

Unknown Speaker 5:28
She is almost 15. Gotcha. So

Chris LoCurto 5:31
it's been over 15 years, or it's been right at 15 years. That is, that is probably some of my favorite events are when I know, a decent amount about the person. And just, you know, the stuff that we got to hit and dive into was just great. Any fears that you had coming in we Oh, it's so funny. Because we always say the fear is always the same for every 500 events. So the fear is always the same thing. Now, if you're high D, you say I don't have any fear. Okay, the concern is always the same. But was there anything you were concerned about going into it?

Unknown Speaker 6:03
It was so funny, because, you know, I've known you as you said, I've known you for years. And I was like, oh, let's be real easy. Chris knows who I am. There's nothing's gonna come out of here that is gonna be crazy or any of that kind of stuff. And I remember sitting in the chair, the very first thing, and I suddenly had this fear come over me of going, What if he finds out something about me that he doesn't like? And I literally had this thought go through my mind of like, Oh, is he going to think differently about me? What if he realizes I'm not the person he thinks I am? And all this kind of stuff just started welling up inside of me. And of course, I quickly realized that that was all just those fears that were trying to hold me back. And luckily, you recognise those very quickly and were able to help me get through those so that we could have great conversations. But yeah, that was the first thing for me. It was just kind of recognizing. Okay, what is holding me back right here? What are those fears that are keeping me from having those conversations that I needed to have so that we can open these things up?

Chris LoCurto 7:04
I think it's so good. For me, especially, you know, I love taking our clients through I love the experience that they get their family members. But it's, you know, in seeing that freedom, it's so great to see the people that you know, we work together, day after day after day after day after day, year, after year, after a year, being able to get that same freedom. So just powerful stuff. Joel Fortner you went through, gosh, forever ago,

Joel Fortner 7:32
2013 10 years,

Chris LoCurto 7:34
what was that? Like?

Joel Fortner 7:36
You know, it's like, that's a long time ago. But I remember coming into it excited that we

Chris LoCurto 7:42
watched yours. We watched your event between all

Joel Fortner 7:45
sorts of all sorts of things. Yeah. Because it was one of those things where it was like, you know, we were talking about me joining the team back then again, that kind of like a contractor working part-time capacity. And then once that was settled, you were like, hey, I want to bring you down and take you through this life event. And I it's like, I remember being excited, I think because I didn't know what I was getting myself into. Otherwise, I would have been crazy fearful. I mean, like massively. So especially as a high personality, like I'm about to get like, into something that's going to be painful for me. I remember being excited, going into it, because I trusted you. I loved what you taught, we were becoming, you know, our friendship was budding back then. And it's just, you know, exploded over the last decade into what it is now. But I'll tell you next time well, life was I mean, it was a game changer. For me. I left, I feel like I left that different human being or the one I walked in, just because of what I learned. And since then, you know, coming and working with you for a decade. And now you know, you know doing all this for years now and leading hundreds of people, you constantly learn about yourself and continue to have grown within the company and having like little mini next several life light conversations over the years, leading people and being like, Oh, I do that. I that I do that. It's only added to all of that growth. But next summer life was a core impact on my life. Because I mean, I went home, Marybeth was like, I don't know what happened, but you're just different. I just really chilled out and became incredibly just more calm. I stopped doing all of the here's all my information, all my heavy opinions, and all of my needs to be this way. Disregarding Mary Beth's feelings at times and emotions because of my own selfishness, just all this stuff that yeah, it was like really hard stuff to learn. But it was I finally looked back at that 10 years ago because it truly changed my life.

Chris LoCurto 9:57
Yeah, it is so funny as you say that you know Not knowing what you're getting into, and then experiencing it. And then you know, being on the backside of that going, oh my gosh, if I knew this, and so I'm speaking to all of the high eyes that do not show up, because highs are the ones that show up. Don't let me scare you off. Oh, gosh, you know, because but I said this before, the fear is always the same, the concerns always the same. Well, I don't know what we're gonna find out. And people will come in the door week after week after week after week for 10 years people come in and they say the exact same thing? Well, I don't know what we're gonna find out. And it's so funny because we always say, do you think we're going to find out anything you're not aware of? Right it. So there are aspects. And it's always, I think people are always concerned that we're going to discover something that they really hate about themselves or something that they're ashamed of, or something like that. It's like you already know yourself. And our process isn't one of sitting in judgment. Don't worry about that. Let's get in there. And as soon as we get in, and the walls come down, and the vulnerability comes out. And the trust, which I think is by far the biggest thing that trust shows up immediately. And people are like, Oh, my gosh, I can talk to you about literally anything in my life. Yet. It's not going any further than this. This is exactly what's going on. It's not about talking through the thing. It's about discovering why it happened. What happened, and how do we overcome it? How do we change decision-making going forward? Everybody comes down on that first day, and it's just like, Okay, that was eye-opening, I didn't expect that. I didn't know that that was going to be that way. And now I have nothing to be afraid of, I have nothing to be concerned of. So I think that that, for me is always just a fun thing. It's always funny. Because on the front side, you're just like, you know, it's so hard to convince somebody, Hey, you're really going to chill out about 30 minutes from now. But you know, they just have to get there. So, all right, why don't we come back? The tenure evolution of our life events, what we've learned about people after seeing 500 of these transformative events and these experiences, and how this thing came about in the first place when we come back after this. Folks, if you've been listening to me for any length of time, then you know the number one issue when it comes to business when it comes to the family when it comes to friendships, is having a lack of high-quality communication, make sure that you are absolutely winning in every aspect of your life, it all starts with having great communication, the best way to get that communication is to understand your personality style, and to understand the personality style of the folks that you're spending the most time with, whether it be at work, whether it be at home, the best way to do that is to go to ChrisLoCurto.com/store. And get your personality profile and personality profiles for your team to date. Get it for your family members. Today, as you go through that profile, you will begin to see the greatest ways to communicate go to ChrisLoCurto.com/store today. Alright, folks, before we get going on more of the information that people have experienced going through these events, the testimonies, and all that kind of stuff, I just kind of want to share how this came about. Because it's again such a good thing when we talk about next, please understand. This is a big event. You know, Joe, as you said, this is one on one events, but probably about 20% of the folks bring their spouse through. We always say people say Oh, should I bring my spouse in? Our answer is always the same. If you can be 100% open and honest, it's not about being honest.

Like you're hiding something it's you know, sometimes some folks have some situations where they don't feel like they can open up completely and we're like, well, then you just come by yourself, that's perfectly fine. It's not about you hiding something, you're doing something wrong. It's about hey, how do we get you to the greatest impact in your life and help and so many of those spouses end up coming afterward. But we also have about 20% that their spouse comes along. And it's absolutely phenomenal. This whole thing started. Because, you know, as I started this business, and I felt God calling me to this business, and you know, coming and doing what we're doing, I thought it was going to be heavily loaded coaching on the business side. And I had been helping people on the life side for many, many, many, many, many years. And it was just this well, maybe I'll offer this thing and, you know, maybe we'll help some people out on the life side had no clue was just something I felt like God was saying, do this, you know, put this thing in place. And I just thought well, that's nice. That'd be good. That'd be fun. You know, we can help some folks. You know, I've been doing it anyways. Might as well open it up. And it exploded, and in 10 years to do 500 events. And keep in mind that first year there weren't that many, right it was something that was just well, we'll just throw this out there and help some folks and it is just compounded. It's been amazing. But the whole car concept was, well, the whole concept, what I thought God was doing is, oh, we'll do a cup. We'll help out, you know, three or four a year, five of these a year just to help out some people. And God's plans were just insanely greater than what I thought, which is always gonna, it's always fun how he does this. And we put that out there. And it's just exploded in and I cannot wait, you and I have been trying so hard to get more facilitators in. And it's one of the, it is by far the toughest hire ever, toughest hire ever, for us to get somebody in that seat. And we've had multiple people that have tried, and it's just, it's a difficult role because you have to get rid of yourself, you, it can't be about you, it has to be 100% about the person sitting in that chair. But we're excited that someday, you know, God has bigger plans. And we're going to see that growing even beyond us. We are in the works. We don't know if it's going to happen this year or next, but we're in the works of a live event, that will not be one-on-one, it'll be a group setting. We don't know when that'll hit we got a lot, a lot of work to do on that. But just super excited about that. So something that I felt like God was saying, hey, put this out there and thinking, well, we'll do a few of these 500 events later, I'm just humbled. You know, it's just, it's stunning to see where we are.

Joel Fortner 16:28
Just for fun. For the first year. We did 11 events, and you did them? Because and then in 14, we did 36 Oh, wow. Those were just you back then? Wow. Yeah. And then it just took off from there is that's when I started training on it. And then we started doing more events. But the first two years, those were the numbers 13 to 30 something and you were busy.

Chris LoCurto 16:50
No, yes, yes. plans with coaching. With everything else is a lot. It was a lot. Gosh, okay, it's a lot more than I thought it was you know, just thinking about how many we do. That's amazing. Obviously, Aaron, we don't have you in the facilitator role, although that is something we would love. But we have so much stuff on our plate. It's just incredible, obviously, and also, we gotta get you to move back to here. I keep trying to get a chipping away, or chipping away one day, one day, we'll get him back closer. But you have had such an impact on people, obviously, you've been with me for so many years. On top of that, as folks come out of next. So many times they've been you know, it's they're also going through the leadership programs and stuff like that. And you've helped out folks on the other side because you've been a part of this for so long. And you've been coaching people on this for so long. And so it's just really good to have such great people. I love that you guys are the ones I'm doing this with so and the rest of our team is just so powerful. As we get into this, alright, so let's take a look back, you just pointed out what it was like in the first year and the numbers that we've done. And it's it, it was just, you know, it's so funny the moment you say 11 events, I'm just like, blown away. Something bigger than what I had planned, God had already planned it out. And it's taken off since then. But it has morphed. The original stuff that I put in place 10 years ago has become so much more powerful. You know, just the things that we have learned along the way and helping people in seeing where people are in the commonalities, so many things that we've experienced in folks that have gone through the events and seeing things that are happening in their families, with their kids, and so on and so forth. And it has just become I don't know how to say just a much more powerful event it

Joel Fortner 18:49
has Yeah, we've continued to refine it and make it fit the way that we help people. And we've now that we've built the process to facilitate depth where this is so not a surface-level experience. This is truly into how and why you respond, make decisions and the way that you do react the way that you do think the way that you do. That's why it is for so many people. This is a healing and restorative event. For some people. It's just powerful and life-changing. But some people who come through this have lots of wounds, and they need lots of healing. And this is the process that actually we've built it to where we actually can teach and get people to that level of understanding themselves.

Chris LoCurto 19:33
Yeah, we, I always say this because it's interesting. It's like, you know, people used to say, Oh, I don't need that, that Dave Ramsey course that's for broke people. And it's like, no, it's actually for people, anybody who has anything to do with money. You know, if you have a lot of money, you really need to understand how to handle it better. If you're broke, you really need to understand how to handle money, period. You know, it's the same thing with Next-Level Life. We have folks that have never had anything bad happen in their life. If that just want, they can recognize that maybe they're plateaued in life, or they want to make better decisions or in this crazy powerful, and then we swing all the way to the I mean, all levels, all different pieces to the other end of that spectrum of just horrid relationships, horrid situations, childhood, you know, yada yada, it doesn't matter where you are on the spectrum. This is a powerful event, either way, right? And so I think the things that I have loved and I want to come to talk through, you know, just starting off on, you know, what are some of the things that we've experienced, and I don't even know where to start, I think, some of the most powerful things that we've experienced, if we just start with the individual, let's just start there, the individual coming through, some of the most powerful things are things that we just kind of talked about, you know, with humans, events, and stuff. And that's just that realization of their aspects of my life. I don't understand. I don't get I don't know, I don't know what to do with it. I don't understand why they happen. I don't know what to do with them now. But I do know that they're impacting me, and they're affecting me in a negative way, help. And I think that's probably been at the end of the day. So my favorite thing is seeing the children that have come through as young adults, of the folks that came through years ago. But I'd say probably my most, that's my favorite, just exciting thing, my most emotionally moving thing is seeing somebody have their eyes open to aspects of their life and finding an incredible amount of freedom. Finding an incredible amount of health, the ability to put in boundaries, the ability to understand the ability to move past, and probably most important things, so much growth with a relationship with God, having freedom there, a lot of folks that have been through next level, if I say a lot, I mean, it. I think a good amount, probably 20 25%, I don't know, I would love for you to weigh in on this, that has got this hindered relationship with God because of things they experienced with humans, you know? Yeah, we see it all the time. Yeah, it's just, it's just amazing how much that can affect that. But on top of all that, I think the ability to look at decision-making in our life and go, so I don't have to do things this way. So I don't have to live life this way. So I can be healthier. So there is healthier. I think that's some of the most powerful things that that I've experienced how much Yeah, I

Joel Fortner 22:43
think some of the most powerful for those eye-opening insightful, oh, my gosh, moments that people have in their event. And there's death can be a billion different things. It could be God, it could be their root system and being able to finally see their parents as just human beings. Rather than Wow, these are my parents, and this happened. And that happened, Joel, and this has occurred. And this is what I'm struggling with now. And this is what I'm frustrated about. And this is what always happens when we get together and all this stuff that's going on in their life. And then you can take them back in time, and widen their view to like, Okay, let's see you, let's see them. Let's see the dynamics, let's see how everyone's contributing to problems in the way that they are walking through all the detail, and sometimes hours' worth of detail on that to get people to a place of freedom, where it's they're totally seeing people differently. They're seeing themselves differently. And it's been there the whole time. They just needed to be taught,

Chris LoCurto 23:41
you know, I think, Gosh, what are we? What are we sure of? People are able to see like you just said that their parents are human. I think one of the toughest things is that some folks, have phenomenal relationships with their parents. And then other folks, it's been just taxing and difficult and painful. And I don't understand why and why. Why did this parent do this? And how come this parent is like this? I think one of the freeing things in life, like you said, is recognizing that your parents are human but then recognizing what their parents have experienced. You know, we always say we don't make any victims. We don't make any villains. You know, no, no, nobody here you don't get to be a victim. We're not going to let you be a victim. We're going to walk through stuff. You know, we're going to talk through stuff, but we're going to discover how to solve things, you know, what do we do about it, right? But we also don't make any villains either. You may have had horrible parents, and we will we can talk about that stuff, too. You may have had horrible situations that happened to you. We will talk through that too. But at the end of the day, the goal isn't to sit here and rail about how horrible that parent is instead is to discover freedom for you. How do we get you to freedom? And I think that's one of the things that has been the most profound is folks being able to look at their parents in a different light Eat, it does not justify. And there are many times we say, Listen, this does not justify what this parent did to you. This does not justify what happened here in this situation. But can you understand what they came through, just for your own in this is so funny, it's, again, it's not for them, it's for you, for you to get freedom from, oh, crap, I've been holding on to that for so many years? And now, it's easier for me to see, they came from a really crappy situation or whatever. And it just changes doesn't mean that you all of a sudden have a phenomenal relationship, but doesn't mean that you, you know, again, that sometimes are very toxic people that you don't allow to have that impact on you. But it frees you from things that you've experienced in life. Any thoughts on any of that?

Unknown Speaker 25:49
Yeah, I mean, one of the things I'll add to that is just around this whole idea, this whole concept, and we've all heard this before. You don't know what you don't know. Yeah. And you know, going through Next-Level Life and seeing exactly what you're talking about, what was it not only that I experienced with my parents, but then also what was it my parents experienced with their parents? Yeah. And getting to this place of seeing, I'm just going to call it generational issues, that, you know, that I grew up in and experience and never really thought twice about it, because that was just what my childhood experience was. But in reality, what were the things that were happening in my life, from my parents, from my siblings, all those things that went into and shaped who I became as an individual, going back to what Joel said earlier about, that led to my decision making, and not knowing any different, not knowing that there were other ways to look at it, not knowing that there were different views and different ways to approach things. Because I just grew up this way, this is what I experienced, this is what I expected. And learning this stuff allowed me to break some generational curses, if you will, of things that had been passed down beyond way beyond even my grandparents, and how things were looked at and how things were done. Because it's just what we've always known. And we can step outside of that mindset of well, this is just what I've always known. And look at it and go, Well, what is the truth? What is it that reality actually is? What is it that's around us that can help us actually make a correct decision, not just the decision because that's what we've always experienced? That's the powerful stuff that I came out of the event. And I've heard plenty of other people have come out of the event as well. It's just around that piece right there and understanding, gosh, if I didn't take the time to learn this, I'd be in the same spot I was 1520 years ago, you know because I don't know any different. I'm experiencing life. I'm responding to life the same way that I saw my parents respond to life and go through life. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.-

Joel Fortner 27:53
So everything we've been talking about the last few minutes really hovers around the root system. So, Chris, I have a question for you. How did the root system come about within Next-Level Life in the because this was the most powerful morphing of Next-Level Life was the introduction of the root system. How did that come about? And what is it so

Chris LoCurto 28:11
yes, thanks for the softball pitch. I didn't think about that. There. So in the early days, did I was I doing root system when you can't there now? Okay, so it was after you in the early days. So there's this aspect of helping people see certain things and you know, it's tough. Sometimes we can be very blind to our own situations or in the past or whatever. Sometimes we don't want to see something sometimes we literally, can't we don't get it. It doesn't make any sense. And as I was going through it, I had this habit of trying to teach people how to look at their life. This is, you know, this is what your life is like and walk through this process. And I was there with somebody one time going through and they just weren't getting it. I was explaining this and it just wasn't landing and understanding that the board now let me back up a little bit because I always have to back up a little bit. I'm a big fan of wine. And I'm not just talking about drinking wine. I enjoy drinking wine, but I'm a big fan of farming wine or making wine by growing grapes. I used to go so I was born in Sonoma, but raised in Lake Tahoe. And I've always gone back to both places and spent time in both places. And I used to go to Napa Valley Sonoma, and all that I spent out always go in the offseason. And here's the funny thing when you look at who owns a winery, and who are the winemakers they tend to be very introverted people. They don't like crowds. Whenever it's the busy season. They're usually not around. I'm not saying that they're all that way. Some of them are very, you know, people friendly and people focused. But if you go on the offseason, I would always find myself spending time with a wine owner you know, vineyard owner a winemaker, and just learning like crazy and growing on my understanding of wine and, and the one process and the growing process and, and what it looks like to ferment it and just so on and so forth all the way, you know, from the ground all the way to the bottom. And so I happen to know a lot about one, it's a passion of mine. It's something that I've enjoyed. And one day I'm standing there trying to figure out how do I explain this person's life to them so that they can see something and understand it. And I feel like I hear God say, tell them how their life is like wine. And I want the whole could Well if that's you, Lord, this is gonna be great. But if that's not you, this may suck out loud. So I just said, Okay, well, let's give it a whirl. And I turned around, I said, Hey, let me just kind of explain the wine. And I went through the whole process. And then I explained how you know, these impacts that they had in their life and, you know, growing up and family members, and parents and grandparents and siblings, and teachers and friends. And, you know, all these little deposits that have happened in their lives and how it affected their decision-making processes and the things that they do now and the surface level of responses they experienced. Just bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. And they go. Oh, yeah, that totally makes sense. It was like, that was the moment. This is something that I must do and this has to be a way that I share this with people. And so I spent time just really going through. How do I explain this in one fluid process so that somebody could take a look at their life and go, now that makes sense? Now I get it. Now I see it. Gosh, I hadn't ever seen it that way. Wow. So that's how the root system became really the foundation of the newer process. And that was, gosh, I had it been 2014. It

Joel Fortner 31:55
was it was I was just looking while you were talking? I was like, let me look this up because I remember when we put out I was still in Washington, DC. And I remember hearing the initial what you have in common with wine podcasts, and it totally blew me away. I was so excited. And like Chris, oh my gosh, I remember texting you how amazing it was. Well, that was April 14, episode 30 of the crystal kurta show. 470 Something episodes ago, was when what you have in common with wine came out. So it was about a year into the process when you started going root system, and then it took off from there.

Chris LoCurto 32:31
Yeah, yeah, it really is the foundation of what we teach. Obviously, we use it everywhere. Mainly Next-Level Life, but we use the root system in talking to people through strap plans through leadership stuff, all that kind of fun stuff. So just powerful.

Joel Fortner 32:46
Yeah, I think one of the things I love about the root system and there's a lot is that it does give you that framework on which to hang your decisions. Now. It's like I understand this now rather than I think how I think my emotions are what they are, I make decisions How they are. Now it gives people a logical framework of which to understand themselves. And when you're trying to understand yourself, there's nothing better than being able to switch from what's emotional, to something that's illogical. Now you can get your hands around that now I can do something with it, and start moving my decision-making in just a four-word process that changes how I respond to people and all the things we've been talking about.

Chris LoCurto 33:23
It is so interesting because I so I do not mean to offend anybody here. But, you know, I love we've had multiple, you know, psychotherapists that have come through, and they sit there and they go, I wish we could do this. Multiple times, I've had them sitting in the chair, going through this process, and going, I wish we could do this, but we can't do this. Right. And so there are great psychotherapists out there. There are great counselors, there are great people to talk with, and everybody should have somebody to talk with. And then there are ones that just are not so great, that are still out there. The thing that we talked about and people are like, are we just going to sit and talk about all the bad things and know that that's not our process, that's not our goal? Our goal is not to get you to the what we will help you to see the what in a good number of you know a good percentage of people actually know the what already high S always know the what. But just overwhelmingly people don't know the why. And our goal is to get you to the why we don't want to sit there and hang out in the way we don't want to sit them relive what we don't want to sit there and just talk about what we want to see what and blast past it and get down to the why. And the root system is such a huge piece of that, of being able to go that's why I make those decisions. That's why I do this thing over here. That's why I struggle with you know this part of my life. That's why I struggle in relationships. And when people see it, it's just like you just said it's that amazing moment of the breakthrough of oh my gosh, I wish I'd have known this my whole life. You And again, no victims, no villains, perspective gathering, because when you can see it, you can change yourself. It's not a process of going, Hey, we're gonna show you a root system. So you have people to blame not even, not even in the same universe, right? Instead, it's, Hey, do you see how this happened here and how this came to be? And why this decision and this thing and this and this? Now, what are you going to do with it? Do you see why you have these surface-level responses? Not because somebody else had one, it's not one. For one thing, we always tell people in Next-Level Life, it's not a one-for-one, you don't do this, because you have a parent that did this. You do this here because this happened over here. And they taught you to do this piece over here because they didn't know any different. And when somebody sees that, it's like, oh, for the Love, Now I have more compassion for a parent, even horrible parents. People can have more compassion for the still need healthy boundaries, all that. But it's just a fantastic moment. If somebody's going. Oh, I would have never guessed that. So just great stuff.

Unknown Speaker 36:07
Yeah, it's so funny that you're talking about this because there are in my, in my life, I can probably count on one hand, the number of major lightbulb moments that I've ever had. And one of those was I remember exactly where I was sitting at entree leadership in Cancun, Mexico hearing you teach about personality styles for the very first time, and learning disk and realizing those kinds of things. That was one of those top five things for me stuff, one of the other

Chris LoCurto 36:36
Jesus moment in Cancun reference to Jesus.

Unknown Speaker 36:41
One of the others was the root system. Yeah. And, and it's one of the things that has changed how I look and see and think about not only myself, but other people around me, because now I can start asking the question and gain perspective when I see things happen when I experience somebody, what possibly could be in the root system that could be guiding them or leading them the way that they are responding, or what is it in my own root system that's causing me to respond in a way. And so being able to understand that and see that has given me a new light, to be able to see and look at things in a different way, within my own life.

Chris LoCurto 37:20
You know, I've been waiting to get to this aspect of it, because I would love for you guys to weigh in on this. We're just, we're just winging it. Today, I'm somebody the things that I wanted to talk about are not even hidden. But one of the most important things to me is the children, you know, the kids. And so I love seeing the change in families. And I would love for you guys to just briefly hit on that. But one of the things I mentioned earlier was probably my top three favorite things about Next-Level Life is we've been having children and when I say children, I'm saying teenage kids, young adults, of those that came through years ago that are coming through. We've even had and this boy gives me chills to think about it. We've had parents that came through you guys know exactly who I'm talking about. If you're listening today, and I'm sure you were sent their teenage boys through, they came through next level life. Later, they got married, and brought their spouses through I mean,

Joel Fortner 38:27
just in that's just about to happen again.

Chris LoCurto 38:31
It's just crazy. To me, that excites the crap out of me.

Joel Fortner 38:36
That means we're getting old.

Chris LoCurto 38:38
That's literally what it means. You just you know, it's the law of numbers, Chris, eventually they're gonna come through. It is so fantastic to see. It's so God to see these parents that came through and had huge life changes and family changes. So much so that the kids, later on, want to actually have that change they come through as teenagers. It impacted them as teenagers so much that later on, they get married, and they're like, I want my spouse to go through this. What else could you say? I mean, it's just so crazy-powerful. So I love it. But I'd love for you guys to speak to how it's impacted your kids as you've raised them.

Unknown Speaker 39:21
So, you know, it's been fun because for me, Arianna, you know, when she first met you, Chris, she was six months old. And so as I have continued to learn and grow in my abilities, and in my leadership and learning about DISC and learning about values and learning about how to have tough conversations and overcoming fear, I've been instilling that in my two daughters and teaching them you know, they're 14 Almost 15 and 12. And it's so fun when I have conversations with him about some of this stuff that I didn't get until I was in my 20s Nice 30s You know, and seeing the impact it's already having on them. So much so that my daughter, my oldest daughter, who I love and cherish can actually call me out and hold me accountable on things because she knows it enough to be able to go okay, Dad, are you? Are you know, operating out of fear right now? Thank you, sweetie. Yes, I am, you know, but honestly, I love it because she's able to see those things and be able to speak into those things and see them. She loves talking about personality styles, she actually came to one of our mastermind retreats this last summer to learn about values, because she just loves that kind of stuff and wants to go okay, how do I take this into my life? With my friends with my future? My future spouse, all this kind of stuff? What does that look like for me? And it's just been fun for me to watch and see, both of my girls just latch on and go. How do we learn more? How do we get more of this stuff? Powerful?

Joel Fortner 41:02
Yeah, I would say for me, because my kids are, they're a little bit younger than your Sir, I'm in 10 853. Those are my kid's ages. But I, all my kids have come about since you know, coming through my own event, and then all the growth that's happened over the years. And I think the thing that is the funniest for me is to think about, how they're experiencing a different father than they ever would have, as a result, to Xav never, they've never experienced a lot of the things that I would have done. Had it not been for all of this personal growth. And so that's been real, it's a really, really cold thought to think is like, wow, you don't even know like how it could have been, that make myself sound like I was going to be this abusive pirate. But I would have not been the same, I would have been different and I wouldn't have been would have been more protected, I would have been more toxic. Yeah. A lot. And I would have been a lot of the things that I am. But that's one of the coolest things to think about. Think about Mary Beth as an adult who has experienced the adult Joel change over the last decade in a lot of ways. And so I think about all my little kids, you know, I think about man, would I have ever been in a place for God to use me and use Mary Beth and me to ever foster or adopt, or I there's no way I could be, I think doing a lot of the things that I love to do in this team in this business today. Because I would have held myself back, I would have been too fearful, I would have been too insecure, probably in a lot of ways. And then my marriage would not be what it is today. It's the of all of the negative impacts, it probably would have been the hardest of all things because I can contribute to conflict in so many ways. And then Mary Beth, you know, she came through her event and a few years after mine. And when she came through hers, to your point about having both spouses come through absolute game changer for Mary Beth and I. But then we can both continue to grow over time. Because I live in this information. And I live with seeing stuff that I struggle with being like, Oh, you're because I teach it all the time. And I've learned it seem like, hey, stop doing that. And so we've been able to continue to grow into the married couple that we are today. But we would have been an entirely different married couple had it not been for both of us coming through our own events.

Chris LoCurto 43:37
Yeah. You know, one of the things I have mentioned many times, especially about Josiah, your oldest, the heir to the throne is freedom. And when I look at yells, kids, you know I that that is something that comes to mind. And especially you know, Aaron, that's not the first time you've shared that story with me. And we've talked through that before. And you know, having seen the girls over the years and just seeing how free they are. And I always share this story about Josiah when I was up in DC. And just a little tyke, I mean so tiny, but at least had been born. And so I guess he was what, probably two-ish, somewhere around there. And he was jumping off, he got up on the couch and was jumping into my arms. And he would just jump, just fling himself in the air. And so I put him down, something had happened and I turned away and my attention had gone. And I'm sideways to him. And it probably is I don't know good 30 seconds or something. You know, I've moved on and I see out of the corner of my eye this child who was flying through the air and I just turned back around and catch him, and that he had this massive smile. He wasn't even reaching for me. He just flung himself through the air. And I caught him and I thought to myself immediately what are you doing, how did you, you, you don't know that I was going to turn out everything inside of my head just went. What even made you think that I would catch you? And immediately I went to how free this child was that in his mind, he felt so safe and secure that he could fling himself through the air and that he was going to be caught. And it was just a freedom that I don't know if I've seen in a lot of children over my 52 years, it was just something that was so profound, and I was just so amazed and had to process that immediately. No, so proud of it. It was a great, great thing. And I will tell you today, our youngest Kili youngest girl of five girls,

I was so proud of her today, she was talking about this, she was in the social media group, I'm not going to even try and you know, wax, social media expert, but she was like, Oh my gosh, this used to be a fun group. And all these people are just complaining and talking about this, this, this and she goes, That's it, I'm done. Because I'm responding. This was supposed to be a social group, a fun group, and all y'all do is complain. And you know, you're being victims, and she starts calling. She's talking through, you know, Next Level life stuff that she goes, so I'm done. Thank you, it was done with it. And I'm just sitting there, like, I'm so proud of you, you know, you do such a great job. You know, it's so fun that at her age, she is absorbing and picking up and learning and growing with stuff and just, you know, being able to hear things and we talk about things at such great depth of like, you know, a situation happens, we're able to have a conversation, I'm able to push on her. And she can receive it in just a second. She hears that she gets it she's like, yep, you're right. Okay, and moves on, you know, and so that generation, it's vogue to be a victim. And she's so good at hearing that. And then if you run to the other end of the scale, you know, Renee, who's just, you know, such a phenomenal, phenomenal person in our business, who helps so many people who guide so many people, and just her ability, you know, there's such great ends of the spectrum of ages here, of just putting this stuff in place in their lives. So I think that is just always going to be one of the most profound things to me in life is when we can impact the next generation to help them to make better decisions. Okay, so when we come back, we're going to talk about the spiritual aspects of the next level of freedom, it's so powerful,

Unknown Speaker 47:44
I felt rejuvenated, almost renewed, I just

Speaker 2 47:46
felt so welcomed and loved and accepted for who I am, and not an ounce of judgment. So I was very comfortable there, that had a really big impact on me, that's going to be worth it. It's gonna be hard, but it's going to be even better. On the other side.

Unknown Speaker 48:04
For me, it was just, it was just very refreshing. And I'm gonna say lifegiving. For me, it really was, you know, I

Speaker 2 48:10
would go to your Next-Level Life again, and probably again, and probably again, because it's so powerful.

Chris LoCurto 48:18
If you want to experience the same kind of life transformation, the same kind of self-awareness and freedom that they have. Or maybe you're just curious what the process would look like for you, then head on over to ChrisLoCurto.com/next level life.

Folks, we are back and we're going to hit probably what we think is, I think I say everything's the most powerful thing, this is the most powerful, this is the most powerful, but I think this is definitely the most powerful that's coming up. But before we get to the spiritual aspects, in just a few months, we've got our annual live event that's geared towards helping your team to grow, improve and excel in their role on your team. The fact is that the more effective you become as a leader, the more effective your team becomes. Think about all the things that we're talking about in this episode, it only makes sense. This means the more your business will grow and with less stress, the circle highlights star the less stress on you. So if you're ready to take a huge leap forward in your leadership capability, then you absolutely need to check out our Next-Level Leadership live event coming up this April. Registration is open and seats are selling out. So don't put this off. The keynote lessons are geared to equip you to build high-performing teams cultivate excellence in every corner of the business and grow your revenues. We're teaching truly transformative lessons during this event and you won't want to miss them. So sign up today at ChrisLoCurto.com/events and get ready for growth once again. Go to ChrisLoCurto.com/events to take your business to the next level. All right, speaking of the next level, let's talk about probably our favorite side. And that's the spiritual side. Gosh, I'm not going to start when you guys jump in, and then I'll hit. You know,

Joel Fortner 50:16
I think it first of all an interesting evolution that we've seen over time. And I think it was a few years ago that Chris, you, and I talked about this that people would come into events. And they would just say, and straight up say, I've got a phenomenal relationship with God. And sometimes people would battle that or want to defend that. And what was an interesting shift over the years and over hundreds of events? Is my experience most people come into Next-Level Life . Now they know, I don't have the relationship with God that I should. I don't know what's happened there. Other than if somehow the Spirit is moving on people. Yeah. But it's been a fascinating thing to watch.

Chris LoCurto 50:55
I think I think there's a couple of things. Well, let me say, I think I know of a couple of things. I'm sure there's 10 billion things. One of the things is, you know, we have, we've spent a lot of time on this show, talking through deeper, God things, deeper spiritual things. But I really, truly believe God is revealing himself more and more to people on what he's looking for in the individual relationship. So one, I think we have so many folks that have come out of that, that church background that says, just show up once a week, hear a sermon, go on with your life. And I think so many people have seen that's not been the impact that they thought it should be. So in the early days, you know, as you put it out, in the early days, somebody would count the next level life would say, Well, how's your relationship with God? And we've we have had plenty of people come through that are atheists or claim to be atheists. Right. But what's, how's your relationship with God? Oh, it's great. We go to church every week. Okay, which is fantastic. But how's your relationship with God Himself? Yeah, it's great. I mean, we don't miss a week we go to church every week. Okay, well, that's, that's great. That's going to church that's hearing. That's learning that's being run on the people. But what about directly with God? I don't understand what you mean. What, just your relationship directly with him. And I think that was one of some of those early phases of people going, Oh, my gosh, I didn't realise that I should and could have a direct relationship with God. And that the church part is the social part, you know, that there is this relationship I should be having with God. And then as you pointed out, I think, Gosh, a few things. One, I've I believe we've seen God revealing himself lately, in much more profound ways. I feel like people are really recognising that there's so much more to God than showing up and listening to a lesson once a week, right? That there's so much more than the spending time with folks in a social situation once a week, which is fantastic. And it's great, and it's awesome. But there's more. Right. And I think we've had a lot of folks that have been yearning for I desire a deeper relationship with God. And I think that's what we see a lot of folks experiencing. And when you ask them, you know, what's, what's the change was driving this? I don't know, I just know, I just know that I don't have that relationship, and I can't really verbalise it. So I think that God is moving in a way that is causing people to say, I want more of him. And I think you're also hearing more teachers, you know, we teach it, there's a lot of folks out there that teach that there is so much more to God than going to church. You know, what is it that Christie McClellan says, she says, God is so much greater than you've ever known, or he's so much better than you've ever known. And it's so absolutely true. You know, there's so much more to God than, than just that, that time slot that you you set aside. And when you have a greater relationship, it's it's crazy powerful. So those are my thoughts. I don't know, what do you guys think?

Unknown Speaker 54:04
Yeah. I mean, one of the things that I absolutely love about just this, what we've been talking about today is it forces us to look deep in ourselves and figure out who are we are even the deeper question who's are we? And, and I think that that whole idea of understanding that is just opening up a bigger discussion around what is our face journey look like? You know, I can be one of those people that can admit to Yeah, you know, Sunday morning, Wednesday nights, doors are open in the church. We were there. But what was my relationship with God, exactly what was my actual relationship with the Creator of the universe? And that was the thing that I think for me when I got to college, my eyes were open to that. And I started seeing God in a new light and a new way, at a much deeper level than just being a church attender and so at I think just understanding that and tying that into now all the other stuff that's going on, through an event like next level life, allows us to see the spiritual side of what's going on allows us to see it all these things where God in my life has moved and prepared things, and set things in motion that I don't always see. And always recognise, but then I can look back on it and go, God, I see what you're doing there. I see what you were doing in my life there, and what you were putting together.

Joel Fortner 55:30
So I think some of my favourite moments over the years when it comes to faith is when you're leading someone through next level life, and you were helping guide them into some really deep eye opening things about themselves or about some stronghold that they're struggling with in their life, or their view of God just isn't anywhere close to accurate because of whatever their religious upbringing has been, or, you know, they experience this is what God is, but then they go home, and they're their parents are just awful, or whatever it may be. And all of a sudden, they get their eyes opened, and then they get washed with truth and washed with. Let's take a look at this in the Bible. Let's overlay this thing that we see here with your situation that you're walking through here. Look at how God responds here. Look at what Jesus did at that point in time with a person that was dealing with X, Y, and Z. And it's so I wish I could take everyone listening into the room. Oh, yeah, because we can't do it justice sitting here talking about it. Like I'm not even scratching the surface, the depth and the the power of some of these moments, changes people forever. Because it changes how they view God forever, or they changes how they view themselves and God forever. Those deeply, just impactful moments are some of my most fond memories and favourite moments of seeing people truly find freedom in their life.

Chris LoCurto 57:03
Yeah, I think you know, so we've mentioned before, and it's so funny, we've had many calls, where somebody's you know, going to be doing a next level life with me. And they're like, Joel, do I need to tell Chris that I'm not a believer? And you know, I don't believe in God and all this that you how's he going to be? And it's your, your response is always the same? This isn't his event, this is yours. He's going to be perfectly fine. And Chris just asked, you know, are we just asked, Are you okay? If we just have the conversation? Never has that ever been turned out? Every single time people have said, Oh, yeah, I don't mind having the conversation. I'm just not a believer, you know, I just believe in science, or I just believe in, you know, all this kind of stuff. And we are always incredibly welcoming. Please come in, let's you know, let's have the conversation. If you're if you're just like, nope, not talking about it. Great. We just move on no big deal, right? Every single person has allowed us to have that conversation, just a discussion. And never, I don't know about you, but never in any of the events that I've been through. Has anybody said, I do not want to talk about this? You're just flat wrong guy. Yeah, yeah. Whatever. What I've discovered over all the years, and it's the same as you know, if you look at a Ravi Zacharias, there's always going to be two sides to this, there's either you believe science proves God wrong. It's a 30 minute conversation, when somebody hears that discussion is like, oh, my gosh, if nobody's ever told me that nobody's ever said that. And then there's the side, which is I don't want God to be real. And a lot of that comes from horrible situations in life, and horrible parents are horrible. You know, somebody did something really bad, or you know, something, there's something back in there. And they don't they look at the bad people, bad situations, evil, whatever. And the last thing they can do is come to this place of saying that there is a God, you know, if that kind of stuff exists, and that's a much longer conversation. But out of that, I don't even know what number we're up to out of 500 events, I know we're well over 20 salvations that have happened in that we're probably still at like five or six that have not, you know, people that are just like, that's fine, I hear you, thank you. I'm sticking with you. But just the power of people seeing God in a different light and seeing Wait a second. So what you're saying is because so many people take the experiences of bad parents and that usually becomes the well if this is what God is like, then I don't want God you know, and we have to say, Hey, listen, humans aren't God don't posit what you experienced with this person. This parent the situation on to God, let's talk through that. That's always super powerful, but people seeing the love. I think that's the thing that a lot of people miss. And don't understand is seeing that loving side of God that's that's probably the most transforming of peace. Would you agree with that?

Joel Fortner 1:00:02
I would agree with that. I think it's when people come from high control backgrounds, abusive backgrounds, and religion is dropped on them, like a block. So many are they come from very legitimate grounds, guilt, background, legalistic background, depending on what you're you're coming in with what your training is coming in, and then all of a sudden, you get that, in-depth love of God, do you see who he actually is here? And these moments, it completely changes how you view God. And then you especially when you get in and dissect, where did you learn to believe the things, all the things that are really the strongholds in their belief system? It's like, where did you learn that? And then you get into that conversation. It's like this. Oh, my gosh, I've been trained on things I should have never believed.

Chris LoCurto 1:00:52
Yeah, exactly. So I think that's probably the most profound piece we love it. It's just so fantastic. And again, as I say, it's not it's a with anybody who is a believer, then it's just part of their discussions, part of the conversation, if anybody is an atheist or agnostic or whatever, we just say, Hey, do you mind having one conversation throughout the thing, and it's amazing how much that has been? Not only do they have the conversation, but they want to talk through it as far as they possibly can, which has always been great and fun. No matter what the important piece is that with every human being walking this planet, there is a much greater in-depth relationship that you can have with the King of the universe with our father, right? And I think that's, that's my favorite part. I'm sure it is yours as well, is that opportunity to help people see even people that have really good relationships with God just learn a greater truth and greater aspects? So powerful stuff. I've said powerful. I don't know how many times in this one episode,

Joel Fortner 1:01:58
we always say that but it's just this one time and next level life that we got into loves leading one. And the person said, you know, so you and Chris say things are powerful a lot. And I was like, oh, gosh, how can Is it really that powerful? And then she got into day one. And she was like, Okay, this really was power?

Chris LoCurto 1:02:13
Is it really is, I don't have a better word. So all right, Joe, you've got a bunch of testimonials. And we can't go through all of them. 500 witless once you just hit a few of those, to kind of help people here. You know, we have a lot of folks that are listening to this that have been listening to us for years and are like, I know, I need to go to that thing. But or there are probably some new people that are listening to this going, I just don't know, or those that are fearful. What have people said about Next-Level Life?

Joel Fortner 1:02:41
Yeah. So here's one from Jesse. He said that next level, life has lifted a weight from my shoulders, a weight that I was placed there, myself, based on my root system, why all the things we've been talking about, and we've been, you know, 30,000-foot view discussing on this episode is why and you can the freedom that he found after, I mean, this, I remember him coming through and because I talked with him met with him after read he I think this is the Jesse that you lead through. So long ago, and just a phenomenal, phenomenal man.

Chris LoCurto 1:03:11
I love it. You know him talking about control, I feel in control of my own life, rather than giving it to others. I am assuming that just hit a whole bunch of people right there. It's so needed. It's so needed for you to be in control of your own life instead of giving control or giving authority over to other people. What else you

Joel Fortner 1:03:32
got? Yeah, so Neil said because this was one of the hardest things I've ever done. But my perspective on life has completely changed. I believe and know that I'll look back on these two days as pivotal days in my life. So yeah, I mean, it's speaking to the hard part. It's like, yeah, it's it is hard. It's hard to open yourself up and do something like this and be this vulnerable. But again, I'll encourage people as you did earlier, it's, it's it is so judgment, free, guilt, free, shame-free. We just talk through stuff. And you and I, as facilitators here are so open and vulnerable with people to is like there's nothing to hide. And because we can demonstrate we don't sit there on our chairs

Chris LoCurto 1:04:13
of self-righteousness or white rooms. And yeah,

Joel Fortner 1:04:17
we're there with you. We've lived lives, we've made mistakes, and we still make mistakes, and we learn from them and we try to do better. We're not pretending to lead people through these events like we've got everything figured out or we're the masters of life. We're here to help you. We're here to facilitate you

Chris LoCurto 1:04:33
know, I'm so glad you brought that up because we have had there are some folks that are so insecure self-conscious of their life, their past their history, or what decisions they're currently making, that a big fear is that um, that we're gonna sit in judgment and it's like you've got to come to understand who we are. You have to come to understand who we are. We're the people who screwed up a lot. We're the people who have made huge mistakes. We are the people who have disappointed God and people and we are terrible in life, right? We are sinners in need of grace.

Joel Fortner 1:05:10
But we're to talk about Aaron. Sorry, Aaron.

Chris LoCurto 1:05:15
But we are people who are reaching out a hand saying, Hey, we've figured out how to get past some of these things. We figured out, you know, what God has revealed to us I shouldn't say we figured out God's revealed to us better ways, better opportunities, better decisions, freedom, things that are going to make your life so different. And so you know, as you say, we don't have this stuff figured out. We just have the stuff that God has revealed, and it's so freeing and so I think that is such a good thing for people to recognize is this is not a place of judgment. This is a place of going hey, guess what? we've screwed up just like you've screwed up. We've done stupid just like you've done stupid. We've just kind of God's revealed to us ways of getting past this stuff. So what else have you got?

Joel Fortner 1:05:59
Yeah, let me share this last one. This is from Katie, Katie said Next-Level Life has impacted our entire family and will for future generations of our children, wow, what an impact Next-Level Life will have on them. Chris explained our root system and this was a whole new concept to me. It really opened my eyes to how the past or how the past people's decisions and circumstances impact who you become as you grow up. So just so eye-opening for JD

Chris LoCurto 1:06:25
Well, folks more than anything else, I hope you can hear our hearts for people. You know, hopefully, you're hearing our hearts for couples, their relationships, their families, and their businesses. Think about this, you know, as I just wrapped up a StrapPlan last week, so much for you business owners and leaders, you're bringing this stuff that doesn't matter who you are, you don't have to own a business. If you're walking this planet, and you have a job, you're bringing this stuff to your work, right? So we understand what it's like to struggle with that stuff. And we know that you want a better way we want a better process. We also know that you know plenty of other people who need this help. So if you're struggling or you know somebody is, get subscribed to this podcast, get the information that you are they need, right help folks to get this and hear this and, and make quality decisions to change their lives and get into a Next-Level Life event this year. Don't Don't hesitate. All you got to do is just reach out and get some information and find out if it's free. I always tell people, it's the most empowering thing to sit down with either you or Aaron, get on the phone, and just go tell me about this thing. And have a one-on-one conversation where somebody can go yea or nay it's as simple as Oh, now that I've heard all the information, sign me up, I'm ready to go. Or even Hey, now that I've heard this, I don't want it. I don't know how many times that actually happens. I don't think we really get that that often. I think people wish it does. I'm sure there are people that have still said, you know, this, I'm not ready. But I think it's so overwhelming when people go, Oh, let me get a deeper version of this on my own life. So we're so blessed to have people like you who desire to get unstuck, who desire to grow, who desire to make a better life, and better relationships, and who help others find the same freedom that you have. We thank you that you trust us that you listen to us that you allow us to speak into your lives. That is all the time that we have for today. I know we could literally sit here and do this for hours.

Joel Fortner 1:08:30
Happy 10th and happy 10th anniversary.

Chris LoCurto 1:08:32
Happy 10th anniversary, folks. Thank you for being a part of this. You guys. Thank you for joining me again, on another great episode. Yeah, great to be here. Yeah, absolutely. So good to have you guys here. So love doing this with you guys on a daily basis. Well, folks, I hope this information has helped you. Thank you for celebrating with us today. 10 years of the work that God has enabled us to do in through. As always, I want you to take this information, change your leadership, change your business, change your life. And join us on the next episode.